Wednesday, 6 August 2014

Independence referendum debate: Alistair Darling wins round one in televised clash with Alex Salmond, Daily Record, Updated



ALISTAIR DARLING won a shock victory in the first referendum TV debate last night as Alex Salmond came unstuck on the pound. The Better Together leader, an underdog before the start, hammered the First Minister relentlessly on the future of Scotland’s currency.


And when it was all over, 56 per cent of viewers surveyed in a snap ICM exit poll named Darling as the winner.The former Labour Chancellor had been widely expected to fall victim to Salmond’s feared debating skills.


But he put his SNP rival on the rack with strong attacks over whether Scotland would keep the poundafter a Yes vote.The bruising encounter early in the two-hour battle seemed to unsettle the First Minister, who went into the debate behind in the polls and knowing he needed a convincing victory.


Salmond rallied later to score strong points over Con-Dem welfare cuts, Trident and the Bedroom Tax.Darling also looked uncomfortable as the First Minister repeatedly challenged him to admit Scotland could be a “successful independent country”.


But the future of the pound – seen by many as the key issue in the race to September 18 – was Salmond’s downfall.


 

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Yes Scotland ridiculed after issuing a guide telling supporters what to say on social media during TV debate 


“The Scottish Government’s own figures show a separate Scotland’s finances would be in a weaker position than the UK’s 2016/17 thanks to declining North Sea oil revenues. But the guide told supporters in bold type that “we will be in a stronger financial position in the first years of independence than we are today.”


Alex Salmond accused of a 'huge deception' over his plans for a currency union after a Yes vote


"Alex Salmond claims that nothing much will change, that threats otherwise are a bluff and that Scotland would keep the pound sterling - but although Scotland could keep using the pound, to promise 'no change' is a huge deception: the consequences would be enormous."


Duel that ignored the hard questions: MAX HASTINGS delivers his forthright verdict on last night's Scottish independence debate . Daily Mail

Skilful: Salmond handled himself brilliantly. His pronouncements, from the Vladimir Putin school of statesmanship, are delivered with wonderful fluency, heedless of their polarisation from truth

This was billed as the Great Debate between Scotland’s First Minister and the former chancellor and standard-bearer for the No campaign, Alistair Darling.

In truth it turned into the Big Silence night, with neither side confronting the real issues and harsh realities about the future of an independent Scotland.

Alex Salmond called on Scots to seize the ‘opportunity’ of independence with both hands. Alistair Darling urged them to reject it, but did not dare to say frankly to his audience: an independent Scotland will be Iceland without the fish, a dependency culture without visible means of support, a basket case bobbing on the remotest beach of Europe.

He had to renounce such arguments, because Salmond mocks the No campaign as ‘Project Fear’; because polls show that Scottish pride is affronted if anybody reminds them how meagre is their income tax base, how feeble is entrepreneurialism north of the border, how drugged on state subsidy their nation has become.

Bernard Ponsonby tries to keep control: But nowhere in the debate, whether from the platform, the floor or the so-called expert commentators, were hard questions asked about how Scotland would support itself

Salmond, one of the most skilful politicians in Britain, handled himself brilliantly. His pronouncements, from the Vladimir Putin school of statesmanship, are delivered with wonderful fluency, heedless of their polarisation from truth. He emphasised again and again the Norwegian model for an independent Scotland, saying nothing of the fact that Norway has vastly more oil and fewer people.

He flatly contradicted Alistair Darling’s assertion that Scotland could not expect to share a common currency with England, saying ‘everything will change in the negotiation if we get a yes vote’. He repeated doggedly again and again: ‘The pound belongs to Scotland as much as to England’, which means nothing.

Tactically, Darling was usually talking sense and Salmond nonsense, but the ex-Chancellor – perhaps the only man to have emerged from service in the Blair-Brown governments with an enhanced reputation – often seemed on the wrong foot.


Nowhere in the debate, whether from the platform, the floor or the so-called expert commentators, were hard questions asked about how Scotland would support itself as an independent country. Salmond asserted that the respected Institute for Fiscal Studies and Office for Budget Responsibility are simply arms of the Westminster government, which deceive Scots by noticing that the North Sea oil take is shrinking fast. He also rejected the IFS calculation that there is a £6billion black hole in SNP spending plans for an independent Scotland.

He spoke as if his country was Saudi Arabia, its only problem how to spend vast natural wealth.

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Scottish independence essay: Say No to colony myth

Tuesday, 5 August 2014

'You are really scrabbling around now!' Alistair Darling takes the fight to Alex Salmond in first live TV debate on Scottish independence Daily Mail, Updated

The two men repeatedly clashed over whether Scotland would be better remaining in the UK or becoming an independent country

  First Minister and ex-Chancellor take part in live two-debate on STV
  Voters to decide Scotland's fate in historic referendum on September 18
  New IpsosMORI poll puts No campaign on 54% but Yes campaign on 40%
  Up to half a million people are still undecided with just weeks to go 
  No campaign has received £2.6million, ahead of £1.5million for Yes camp
  Cameron, Clegg and Miliband sign joint declaration promising tax powers


Alex Salmond and Alistair Darling have clashed over their competing visions for the future of Scotland in the first live TV debate of the referendum campaign.

But millions of people trying to watch the historic head-to-head were dismayed after the STV website crashed under the intense demand from viewers worldwide.

In the early skirmishes, Mr Salmond repeatedly complained that independence was the only way to prevent a future Tory government while Mr Darling insisted Scotland was stronger as part of the UK.

The latest IpsosMORI survey released as the debate began suggests the race is narrowing slightly, but the No campaign still has a 14 point lead

As the political temperature rose, Mr Darling repeatedly accused Mr Darling of 'scrabbling around', claiming the First Minister has 'lots of good lines but no answers'. 

Voters in Scotland will make their big decision on independence in the historic referendum on September 18.

The No campaign has been consistently ahead in the opinion polls, despite months of intense debate, impassioned pleas and trading of facts and figures. 
One of the biggest threats to the Yes campaign has been growing doubts about the currency an independent Scotland would use
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After ditching the idea of adopting the euro, the SNP has claimed it would enter a currency union with the UK and continue to use the pound.

But the Tories, Labour and Lib Dems have all made clear they would block a deal, whoever wins the next general election.
Mr Salmond came under intense pressure about how he would continue to use the pound, faltering repeatedly about whether he has a back-up plan.

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